If Jon Was On TBIG, Hmmm... Options

[Geoliphius]

Okay this has probably been mentioned but I don't think I have seen a specific topic about it. But what do you think the songs on TBIG would sound like if Jon Theodore was still in the band? Not if he would be better or worse than Pridgen, but how he would have worked with these songs? My opinion is he would have eaten it up and we would cream our little jocks. But what do YOU think?

[Kingfish]

it would of sucked.

He was obviously over being in the band and it would of come through in the recordings.


T-pridg is a lot fucking better and brings a whole new listening experience.
Stop living in the past.

[Geoliphius]

it would of sucked.

He was obviously over being in the band and it would of come through in the recordings.


T-pridg is a lot fucking better and brings a whole new listening experience.
Stop living in the past.

You miss my point. I believe that the music Omar wrote for this album is so different to the past 3, that even if Jon kept his same style, it would have sounded heaps different because the musical style is so different. I didn't say anything about Pridgen being worse or wanting them to recreate the past.

[alan_pfeifer]

It'd be alot less energetic.

[ichronic exploit...]

jons style wouldnt have been as good for this album, but then again judging from thomas's other work i would have said the same thing about him on this album. I think the biggest difference would be that the drums would be lower in the mix on the album, and their would have been a lot less attention given to the drums.

[Geoliphius]

jons style wouldnt have been as good for this album, but then again judging from thomas's other work i would have said the same thing about him on this album. I think the biggest difference would be that the drums would be lower in the mix on the album, and their would have been a lot less attention given to the drums.

Yeah like on Amp I guess. I still think the drums on Amp are off the hook, but no where near as prominent.

[feelsgoodman]

IT WOULD BE ALOT BETTER

[RohanMathew]

it would of sucked.

He was obviously over being in the band and it would of come through in the recordings.


T-pridg is a lot fucking better and brings a whole new listening experience.
Stop living in the past.

Of course he brings a whole new listening experience, he's a new drummer... don't state the obvious dickwad.

It'd be alot less energetic.

I hope you aren't saying that that's a bad thing. All your tbig fans want is energy, go listen to fucking techno. And if you're simply referring to emotional non-specific energy, than i really think Pridgen is far more forced. Jon would have saved this album from being the messy, train wreck that it is.

[Geoliphius]

Yeah I think 'messy' is a good way to describe it. Not enough rhythm!? Still like it and Pridgen is nice as (I met him after the Melbourne show) and he is fucking sweet to see live. But yeah its really messy.

[granner1]

IT WOULD BE ALOT BETTER

[spirtof7600]

i dunno, they would probably still be tracking the drums right now.

[Haplo]

I love the album, and I love Jon and TP, but having Jon on the album could have been a cool thing!

[deloria]

Theres some parts of this album that when I hear it, I want TP to play it differently. Certain fills and whatnot. I catch myself thinking "fuck, Jon would've just owned that part..."

but then the music continues....

[beefstew]

the alubm woudl ahve been VERY boring

i think they would have ahd to take goliath, askpios and soothsayer off the album

if jon was still int he band i guarantee soothsayer would ahve ahd no drums in it, the guy can't move past the ability to do a solid beat and nothign mroe, tp's ghosting ont he snare while goign ntus on his cymbals in songs liek askepios and soothsayer make this album

also this album is easily the LEAST sloppy of all fo their albums, like someone said in another thread a logn time ago tp's mastery of drums creats the illusion of sloppyness to the untrained ear

nothign the man did ont he album was remoltely slopyy he in control of himself at all time your jsut unable to accpet his ability of control the guy thinks about what he does it;s obvious you people act like he sut goes

"MY HANDS MOVE FAST IM GOING TO HIT EVERYTHING THATS IN FROTN OF ME AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN NO REAL REGARD TO TIME"

he's in control...

god i really don't want to think of jon on this album this album isn't frances THAT was jons best momment with the band and thats where he fits best stylisticaly his style would never go with this album

[mario]

i would have at least liked to see jon on some of the amp tour...i so wanted to see him play visc eyes live

[luizinhuu]

WE WOULD HAVE GROOVY SECTIONS I TELL YOU THAT

[XaeroX18]

it would of sucked.

He was obviously over being in the band and it would of come through in the recordings.


T-pridg is a lot fucking better and brings a whole new listening experience.
Stop living in the past.

[goldenMantra]

it would of sucked.

He was obviously over being in the band and it would of come through in the recordings.


T-pridg is a lot fucking better and brings a whole new listening experience.
Stop living in the past.

FACT: This guy is a fucking idiot.

[DigitalKnifePrty]

I thought about this very question myself, and I came to the conclusion that I'm glad that Thomas is in the band. Have you guys listened to the bootlegs of Jon months after Amputechture was released until he eventually left the band? His drumming was very lethargic compared to a couple of years ago. Plus, Thomas makes every song on Amputechture sound better because he's breathing in life to the drums. With that being said, Jon is a better drummer when it comes to the more slower, intricate aspects of TMV's music. For example, during the slow part of Tetragrammton on the Echoplex bootleg, Thomas completely fails to hold a grove during that section and as a result, it kills the flow of that part. As for TBiG, the drums would of been boring, slower, but consistent if Jon was still around. I'm waiting, hoping that Thomas will fully understand the dynamics of playing drums with such a diverse band such as TMV.

[alan_pfeifer]

it would of sucked.

He was obviously over being in the band and it would of come through in the recordings.


T-pridg is a lot fucking better and brings a whole new listening experience.
Stop living in the past.

Of course he brings a whole new listening experience, he's a new drummer... don't state the obvious dickwad.

It'd be alot less energetic.

I hope you aren't saying that that's a bad thing. All your tbig fans want is energy, go listen to fucking techno. And if you're simply referring to emotional non-specific energy, than i really think Pridgen is far more forced. Jon would have saved this album from being the messy, train wreck that it is.

No, I'm not talking about straight up energy, I probably used the wrong word. And yes, after hearing the album, It would've been bad if it didn't have Thomas to light a fire under the band's collective ass. Stuff like the second half of Goliath, the middle section of Ilyena, Askepios, and Soothsayer would lose alot of what makes them as good of songs as they are.

I can already see this turning into another 20+ page debate on drummers, but if you want a good idea of what Tbig would've sounded like with jon, go listen to Conjugal Burns and spread that through the whole album.